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Friday, July 27, 2007

Canadia Leftist Avi Lewis Interviews Ayaan Hirsi Ali

LGF has video, Neil Flagg has commentary (and much of the transcript).

Here is one portion that caught my eye:

Avi: Surely, there are many versions of Islam, just like there are many versions of Christianity, of Judaism, of all major religions. You’re presenting it as just one thing, and obviously it’s not!


Ayaan: Islam, as a faith, as a doctrine, is defined by the Koran and the example of the Prophet Mohammed, and unreformed, unchallenged, it is a monolith.

Avi: I could point to things in other holy books that are equally offensive.

Avi says surely there must be more than one Islam. Ayaan says otherwise, that there is only one "gospel" of Mohammed. So Avi changes the subject, and discusses the offensiveness of religions.

Avi should realize that the reason that there are so many "versions" of Christianity and other religions is because people add stuff to and/or subtract stuff from the original teachings. A religion is defined by its founder. Christianity is what Jesus and his Apostles taught. Islam is what Mohammed taught. Buddhism is what Buddha taught.

The different denominations of Christianity are each in their own way and in varying degrees imperfect reflections of the faith. They cross the line from imperfect Christianity to counterfeit Christianity when they reject doctrines relevant to salvation; those doctrines are fairly well summarized in the Nicene Creed (although there is room for disagreement over the Filioque).

Avi should ask this question: can Islam be compatible with civil society without rejecting Mohammed?

Unfortunately, Ayaan gives a lame response:

Ayaan: The other holy books, the old testament, the bible, have become almost obsolete, and there are no Christians who want to have the bible replace any constitution in Western society.

No part of the Bible is obsolete to Christianity. The Old Testament contains the stories of the Creation and the Fall of Man, histories of God's various agreements with individuals and the nation of Israel, some prophetic writings, books of wisdom and poetry. The NT summarizes the gospel of Jesus, the teachings of key prophets, the history of the early church, and John's mysterious prophecy. God gave commands to theocratic Israel that he didn't give to the Christian church, and vice versa, and certain unique commands to Abraham, Noah, Hosea, Jonah, etc.

Avi needs to visit the United States more often:

Avi: OK, whoa! You live in the United States of America. This is a country where Evangelical Christianity has ascended to the highest ranks of power, where conservative social values drawn and justified by the bible are imposed on people every day.

Neil Flagg responds:

Truth: This is complete insanity. If you can’t see that America has gone through 40 years of progressive” social values being imposed on the people every day, you are simply dim.

Avi completes his journey off the deep end:

Avi (interrupting): They shoot abortion doctors in the United States of America!

The number of abortionist shooters in this country can be counted on one hand, and as Neil points out, the most recent shooting was in 1998.

Our intrepid journalist may be in violation of Canadian law. According to Wikipedia's article on hate speech:

In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offense under the Canadian Criminal Code with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine. The landmark judicial decision on the constitutionality of this law was R. v. Keegstra (1990).

If Avi had made the blanket statement "American teachers have sex with their students" or "American gays molest children" or "American Muslims have ties to terror," the applicability of the law would be obvious even to the left. People as described in these statements do exist, and they outnumber abortionist shooters by far, but they still represent minorities of their respective groups. Book him, Danno.

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